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I've always felt sort of like in between things. Like I fit in when I was working construction. I more or less could do my job. I didn't get fired. I got paid. I could do it. But it was always sort of like working under cover. Now when I'm meeting academic people and going to these things they have [conferences], basically it's still the same thing. I'm still under cover. Then, I was sort of a ...
In the late '90s, he finally sold his first short stories to literary journals.