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Rote Baron, Der (2008)

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Better than expected, 4. Dezember 2007

Author: coeli-1 von Germany

I had the opportunity to see this film yesterday during a pre-screening in hamburg. Technically not yet perfect (in terms of grading, sound design and some effects) we saw the final cut. And I am truly pleasantly surprised. The film being a German production, the lead roles Germans, mixed with an international cast, made me extremely skeptical because - apart from the perfume - I haven't seen a truly convincing German project for a "big film" yet. BUT, this film was really well done. Good performances by all actors throughout, an amazing production design, and - best of all - really astonishing and eye catching visual effects and cgi. The effects were very subtle all over and never really recognizable. That makes good VFX!

The film itself is not a flat action/history flick, it has a message to tell and that comes across really well. The relationship between the baron and his girl is told in a very subtle way, no cheesy romance-scenes. It all happens during WW1, there was simply no time for big emotions. So we don't see a "Pearl Harbour" Hollywood flick, but a picture that shows how it really might have been - flying a plane during war. There are no clichés, just a portrait of a hero that did not even want to be one. And the cruelty and absurdity of war itself, as even the main protagonist has to learn. The ending is also well done and not cheesy or over the top. Apart from that the film did not really grab me, I enjoyed watching but was seldomly thrilled or emotionally moved. Maybe some of the characters were simply a little too flat. Also the film jumps at times and leaves out some interesting battle scenes, I had the impression they did it to keep the VFX work down.. Overall I give it a 6.5/10.

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missing target, 12. April 2008

Author: Ralfscheapthrill von Berlin

Few days ago I read an interview with Schweighöfer in which he's wondering why "The Red Baron" didn't get any subsidies. "Maybe they didn't like the script". They were right! And I don't think, the script was too controversial... I wish, it'd be. It's a pity that private financed productions like "As far as my feet will carry me" or even Vilsmaier's "Marlene" and now "The Red Baron" have producer's that are obviously willing to make the best movies they can, even without public money. they spent their budget on the cast, effects, good looks but they don't have a clue what to do with their values. They hire authors and directors who turn out to be just unable to cope with their projects. And most of the critics just complain about historical facts... I don't get it. It's a movie! But a badly told one. If you want to make a movie about a world war pilot who tries to be the best, then tell us, how he does it. And not in the main case, how he tries to win a nurse's heart! There are a lot of good love stories around, but THIS is the story of guy who liked to fly and shoot down enemies. If you pick it, stick to it. Don't be ashamed of your choice. It's quite funny to see a few quite impressing battle scenes, but the battles that mattered for the story are simply ignored. They get on the plane. Cut. Hospital. Everything that matters in the story is in the dialogs, not in actions. And even the important dialogs are filmed in cowardly undramatic distant shots... A waste of talent, chances and money.

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Bad script & Wrong Casting, 18. April 2008

Author: AccessCardRequired

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Too bad for all that effort put in the movie. German producer spend / raised some 18 Million Euros, to make a movie about THE flying ace of WWI - Der Red Baron. Why didn't they spend some money on a decent script? The film starts off with a band, you lean back in your seat and think, this is gonna be fun, well at least for the first 15 minutes, then, well, then there is simply not a story in the film. We jump from one air battle scene into the next, who cares that those old planes have a speed like they have to battle the death star in Star Wars.... Worst is, and its not a spoiler, the end, when the baron dies, this segment is told OFF screen. No battle, no nothing. You have the feeling they ran out of money. Casting wise, a huge mistake trying to connect the hero with his lady. Headey & Schweighoeffer don't match, there is NO believable connection between them. Not for one second you understand the love they should feel for each other. She is simply too old, he is too young. Schweighoeffer plays great, so does the rest of the cast, except Fiennes. The poor fellow has simply not one good scene for himself. He was just cast to give an international flair to the pic. Too sad, for what could have made a great story....

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Boelcke,Goering , Allmenröder ..Where are they?, 24. April 2008

Author: steinbock1973 von United States

It's a German version of that dreadful Hollywood flop "Flying Boy". Immediately after you sat down in a theater, you are overwhelmed by the generous usage of CGI , while being flabbergasted by total lack of any tenable plot.Although I don't want to complain about "historical fact", it gets my nerve to watch a young and lanky German actor (whose acting indeed is not bad at all) plays a short and stout Manfred Con Richtofen. On the other hand , tall and aggressive younger brother Rothar was portrayed by an almost effeminate youthful actor.Worse still, Til Schweiger plays Werner Voss who was 5 years younger than the Baron..Herrgott! I don't want to mention about the fact that Boelcke, Goering, and Allmenroder ,whose lives were indispensables to portray the life of the Red Baron, were totally omitted in this movie. What was matter with a person who casted these actors and screenwriter who wrote such a delusional script? There is no single shred of realism and I am afraid of saying that there might have been no exertion to portray real historical people whose lives were certainly much more interesting and dramatic than those depicted in this movie. And ..those pacifist message the Baron constantly delivered!!give me a break!! The Baron was a professional soldier , not war-conscript and he himself said everything else was nonsense other than shooting down an enemy in dogfight..He was certainly not as bloodthirsty and aggressive as Berthold , but certainly not the one depicted in the movie,either. This movie is just a good example of movie made by those who lost their past and live in historical amnesia.real tragedy indeed!

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